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- From: Howard Flack <Howard.Flack@cryst.unige.ch>
- Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:52:15 GMT
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_s9C6yvPyLO1QrnAB7FwbLA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -- Howard Flack http://www.unige.ch/crystal/ahdf/Howard.Flack.html Laboratoire de Cristallographie Phone: 41 (22) 702 62 49 24 quai Ernest-Ansermet mailto:Howard.Flack@cryst.unige.ch CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland Fax: 41 (22) 702 61 08 --Boundary_(ID_s9C6yvPyLO1QrnAB7FwbLA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Return-path: <owner-icsti-l@DTIC.MIL> Received: from gate.unige.ch ([129.194.8.77]) by mbx.unige.ch (PMDF V6.0-24 #44959) with ESMTP id <0G8C00G812SQZM@mbx.unige.ch> for flack@mail.cryst.unige.ch (ORCPT howard.flack@CRYST.UNIGE.CH); Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:34:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.gate.unige.ch by gate.unige.ch (PMDF V6.0-24 #44959) id <0G8C00L012FXPP@gate.unige.ch> for flack@mail.cryst.unige.ch (ORCPT howard.flack@CRYST.UNIGE.CH); Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:26:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from mails.dtic.mil (mails.dtic.mil [131.84.1.19]) by gate.unige.ch (PMDF V6.0-24 #44959) with ESMTP id <0G8C00LLS1ZLDM@gate.unige.ch> for howard.flack@CRYST.UNIGE.CH; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:16:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from list.dtic.mil (list.dtic.mil [131.84.105.11]) by mails.dtic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/990419cac) with ESMTP id GAA14250; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from list (list.dtic.mil [172.16.105.11]) by list.dtic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/1.0) with ESMTP id GAA18238; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from DTIC.MIL by DTIC.MIL (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 17988 for ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:15:52 -0500 Received: from mails.dtic.mil (mails.dtic.mil [131.84.1.19]) by list.dtic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/1.0) with ESMTP id UAA00897 for <icsti-l@list.dtic.mil>; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pinet.aip.org (pinet.aip.org [192.58.150.10]) by mails.dtic.mil (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/990419cac) with ESMTP id UAA28331 for <ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL>; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from aipml2-102.aip.org (aipml2-102.aip.org [199.98.102.30]) by pinet.aip.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA03873 for <ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL>; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from AIP_NY-Message_Server by aipml2-102.aip.org with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:56:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:33:25 -0500 From: Tim Ingoldsby <TINGOLDSBY@AIP.ORG> Subject: Re: EU Copyright Directive - latest Sender: ICSTI-L list <ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL> Approved-by: crandall@DTIC.MIL To: ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL Reply-to: ICSTI-L list <ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL> Message-id: <sa7f1399.029@aipml2-102.aip.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.dtic.mil id UAA00898 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Content-disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Comments: cc: Marc Brodsky <brodsky@AIP.ORG> David: Perhaps ICSTI has made no public position, but Barry Mahon's posting of 1 February (which is copied below) left an impression - at least with me, but I suspect with others on ICSTI-L as well - that ICSTI felt that "the library position" should be endorsed. (There is no suggestion in his posting that "the library community" might be wrong, and a suggestion that all could be lost if some unstated action occurs.) The Executive Secretary (or Executive Director) of an organization like ICSTI needs to be very careful about how messages are posted, and his message of the past two days sounded like a "call to arms" to support the objections to the direction the legislation was taking. As AIP's representative to ICSTI, I find that unacceptable. Tonight, I attended a reception at the AAP/Professional and Scholarly Publications meeting, where I discussed his posting with several other representatives of companies that are ICSTI members, and there was general agreement that his commen! ts were inappropriate and did not represent their companies' views. The Executive Director of AIP shares my view on this issue. I would urge you to speak with Barry and caution him regarding how postings that may appear to be one-sided may be interpreted. Sincerely, Tim Tim Ingoldsby Director of Business Development American Institute of Physics Suite 1NO1, 2 Huntington Quadrangle Melville, NY 11747-4501 Phone: +1 516 576 2266 Fax: +1 516 576 2327 >>> David.Russon@BL.UK 02/05/01 09:47AM >>> Because members have different views on the EU Directive, ICSTI has not taken any position on it and has made no representation to anyone. David Russon -----Original Message----- From: Tim Ingoldsby [mailto:TINGOLDSBY@AIP.ORG] Sent: 05 February 2001 13:57 To: ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL Subject: Re: EU Copyright Directive - latest I believe that it is fair to comment that not all ICSTI members agree with the position stated in this message. Indeed, it is not clear to me that even a simple majority of ICSTI member organizations agree with this position. I urge ICSTI to represent the interests of all of its membership with a more balanced statement regarding the Copyright Directive. Tim Ingoldsby Director of Business Development American Institute of Physics Suite 1NO1, 2 Huntington Quadrangle Melville, NY 11747-4501 Phone: +1 516 576 2266 Fax: +1 516 576 2327 >>> Roger.Bowes@ASLIB.COM 02/02/01 05:40AM >>> FYI - A simple note of explanation sent to the "Sunday Business" newspaper for publication - and of course we have also written to the Legal Affairs Committee etc in a different vein. A balance in Copyright law (the Copyright Directive) between the protection of the commercial interests of writers and publishers on the one hand and on the other fair use by researchers and educationalists sustaining the growth in our knowledge base is crucial. After two years hard work by teams and individuals from both sides a common position was achieved. Now, within days of the EP passing the Directive the EC Legal Affairs Committee is being asked to vote through some 200 amendments many of them on behalf of powerful groups to secure more protection which will seriously interfere with education and library users. The worst blow for libraries is the proposal that Article 5.2(c), the exception covering library copying, should be limited yet again to archiving and conservation only. They have even attached the "fair compensation clause" for something which does them no harm!!! - except of course their action will harm them in the long run as most enlightened publishers appreciate. An example of the misguided or should one say unthinking damage by some MEP's is that of MEP Rothley, German (PES socilist group) who "spoke vehemently" ending " if libraries don't pay then it becomes a free-for-all", or MEP Echerer, Austrian (Green Party) "why should the rightsholders pay for the disabled instead of society". These outbursts have come after years of constructing a carefully crafted Directive by all sides and which inevitably has had to include a huge diminution of freedoms brought about by powerful commercial and political interests. Against these interests are ranged a few bodies like Aslib and thousands of dedicated individuals, but who do you think has the most clout? Roger Bowes Chief Executive Aslib is the leading corporate Information Management Association in the World with Commercial and non-commercial members on both sides of the copyright equation throughout the World. Roger Bowes Chief Executive ASLIB - IMI Staple Hall Stone House Court London EC3A 7PB Tel: +44 (0)20 7903 0000 Fax: +44 (0)20 7903 0011 Email: roger.bowes@aslib.com http://www.aslib.com Roger Bowes Chief Executive ASLIB - IMI Staple Hall Stone House Court London EC3A 7PB Tel: +44 (0)20 7903 0000 Fax: +44 (0)20 7903 0011 Email: roger.bowes@aslib.com http://www.aslib.com > ---------- > From: Barry Mahon[SMTP:mahons1@EIRCOM.NET] > Reply To: ICSTI-L list > Sent: 01 February 2001 18:25 > To: ICSTI-L@DTIC.MIL > Subject: EU Copyright Directive - latest > > The proposed Directive to 'harmonise' copyright legislation in the EU is > entering its latest and crucial phase in the European Parliament. > > There are a lot of amendments proposed to the 'common position' text > reached by EU governments last year. Many are non controversial > amendments of clarification but there is one which would affect the > rights of libraries and researchers to make copies for private use - the > so called fair dealing provision. There is a proposal that this right be > limited to archive and conservation purposes only. > > The following article summarises some of the problems: > http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/s/20010123/europecopyright.html > > The library community in Europe is mounting a vigorous campaign to > reverse the proposals. > > There is a real risk that the whole Directive could be shelved if the > Parliament cannot reach agreement. > > There will be a vote of the Legal Affairs committee of the Parliament > next Tuesday Feb. 6 which will be critical to further progress or not. > > Bye, Barry > --Boundary_(ID_s9C6yvPyLO1QrnAB7FwbLA)--
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