Herb has sent a couple of messages about the proposed handling of PDB SCALE and ORIGX matrices and vectors. It is easy for me to answer them one at a time. Herb Bernstein writes: > How does the newly proposed DATABASE_PDB_MATRIX handling of SCALE > differ from _atom_sites.fract_transf_matrix ... and _vector ...? The definition of SCALE (from the PDB documentation) is: Define a proceudre for obtaining fractional crystallographic coordinates x(frac), y(frac), z(frac) from the submitted coordinates x(sub), y(sub), z(sub). Since the depositor can (in theory, at least, and in practice in many of the data sets in the PDB) submit coordinates in any coordinate system imagin- able, there is not necessarily a correspondence between SCALE and _atom_sites.fract_trans_matrix. > Also, would it not be clearer to put the ORIGX information in > as a sub-category of atom_sites, say, as .PDB etc., etc., since > in fact it is primarily an atom_sites issue and only secondarily > (if at all) a database issue. It is a transform to bring the > dataset back to a coordinate frame the experimenter thought useful. The same sort of things is true for ORIGX, which is the transformation from submitted to orthogonal coordinates. It is for these reasons that we think that SCALE and ORIGX are PDB specific matrices, and not (again, necessarily) ones of general interest. The general interest matrices, the ones that (by definition) convert orthogonal to fractional and fractional to orthogonal, are in ATOM_SITES, where, as Herb rightly points out, such information belongs. We want to keep the PDB-specific matrices somewhere else, as they have caused a great deal of confusion over the years, and we want people to have to work hard to find them. This discussion is continued in the next message. Paula ******************************************************************************** Dr. Paula M. D. Fitzgerald ______________ voice and FAX: (908) 594-5510 Merck Research Laboratories ______________ email: paula_fitzgerald@merck.com P.O. Box 2000, Ry50-105 ______________ or bean@merck.com Rahway, NJ 07065 USA (for express mail use 126 E. Lincoln Ave. instead of P. O. Box 2000) ********************************************************************************