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From: David Lide <dlide@DGS.NET>
Subject: Re: EU Copyright Directive - latest
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I am speaking for myself, but I believe most CODATA Members (mainly ICSU Unions and national academies of science in member countries) would agree with me. On re-reading the chain of messages, I see nothing improper in Barry's posting. The ASLIB statement expresses the viewpoint of one significant stake holder in a very complex issue. Those ICSTI Members who disagree with that viewpoint can prepare a statement of their own position, and I am sure Barry will post it in the same way. I fail to read any editorial content in his action.

While most ICSTI members represent information producers, we should not forget that the Forum masthead carries the statement:
"... ICSTI fosters communication and interaction among all participants in the information transfer chain ..."

David Lide
CODATA Representative
Tim Ingoldsby wrote:

> David:
> Perhaps ICSTI has made no public position, but Barry Mahon's posting of 1 February (which is copied below) left an impression - at least with me, but I suspect with others on ICSTI-L as well - that ICSTI felt that "the library position" should be endorsed.  (There is no suggestion in his posting that "the library community" might be wrong, and a suggestion that all could be lost if some unstated action occurs.)  The Executive Secretary (or Executive Director) of an organization like ICSTI needs to be very careful about how messages are posted, and his message of the past two days sounded like a "call to arms" to support the objections to the direction the legislation was taking.  As AIP's representative to ICSTI, I find that unacceptable.  Tonight, I attended a reception at the AAP/Professional and Scholarly Publications meeting, where I discussed his posting with several other representatives of companies that are ICSTI members, and there was general agreement that his comm!
> !
> ts were inappropriate and did not represent their companies' views.  The Executive Director of AIP shares my view on this issue.
> I would urge you to speak with Barry and caution him regarding how postings that may appear to be one-sided may be interpreted.
> Sincerely,
> Tim
> Tim Ingoldsby
> Director of Business Development
> American Institute of Physics
> Suite 1NO1, 2 Huntington Quadrangle
> Melville, NY 11747-4501
> Phone:  +1 516 576 2266
> Fax:  +1 516 576 2327
> >>> David.Russon@BL.UK 02/05/01 09:47AM >>>
> Because members have different views on the EU Directive, ICSTI has not
> taken any position on it and has made no representation to anyone.  David
> Russon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ingoldsby [mailto:TINGOLDSBY@AIP.ORG]
> Sent: 05 February 2001 13:57
> Subject: Re: EU Copyright Directive - latest
> I believe that it is fair to comment that not all ICSTI members agree with
> the position stated in this message.  Indeed, it is not clear to me that
> even a simple majority of ICSTI member organizations agree with this
> position.  I urge ICSTI to represent the interests of all of its membership
> with a more balanced statement regarding the Copyright Directive.
> Tim Ingoldsby
> Director of Business Development
> American Institute of Physics
> Suite 1NO1, 2 Huntington Quadrangle
> Melville, NY 11747-4501
> Phone:  +1 516 576 2266
> Fax:  +1 516 576 2327
> >>> Roger.Bowes@ASLIB.COM 02/02/01 05:40AM >>>
>         FYI - A simple note of explanation sent to the "Sunday Business"
> newspaper  for publication - and of course we have also written to the Legal
> Affairs Committee etc in a different vein.
>         A balance in Copyright law (the Copyright Directive) between the
> protection of the commercial interests of writers and publishers on the one
> hand and on the other fair use by researchers and educationalists sustaining
> the growth in our knowledge base is crucial. After two years hard work by
> teams and individuals from both sides a common position was achieved. Now,
> within days of the EP passing the Directive the EC Legal Affairs Committee
> is being asked to vote through some 200 amendments  many of them on behalf
> of powerful groups to secure more protection which will seriously interfere
> with education and library users. The worst blow for libraries is the
> proposal that Article 5.2(c), the exception covering library copying, should
> be limited yet again to archiving and conservation only. They have even
> attached the "fair compensation clause" for something which does them no
> harm!!! - except of course their action will harm them in the long run as
> most enlightened publishers appreciate. An example of the misguided or
> should one say unthinking damage by some MEP's is that of MEP Rothley,
> German (PES socilist group) who "spoke vehemently" ending " if libraries
> don't pay then it becomes a free-for-all", or MEP Echerer, Austrian (Green
> Party) "why should the rightsholders pay for the disabled instead of
> society". These outbursts have come after years of constructing a carefully
> crafted Directive by all sides and which inevitably has had to include a
> huge diminution of freedoms brought about by powerful commercial and
> political interests. Against these interests are ranged a few bodies like
> Aslib and thousands of dedicated individuals, but who do you think has the
> most clout?
>           Roger Bowes
>           Chief Executive
>         Aslib is the leading corporate Information Management Association in
> the World with Commercial and non-commercial members on both sides of the
> copyright equation throughout the World.
>                 Roger Bowes
>                 Chief Executive
>                 ASLIB - IMI
>                 Staple Hall
>                 Stone House Court
>                 London EC3A 7PB
>                 Tel: +44 (0)20 7903 0000
>                 Fax: +44 (0)20 7903 0011
>                 Email: roger.bowes@aslib.com
>                http://www.aslib.com
>                 Roger Bowes
>                 Chief Executive
>                 ASLIB - IMI
>                 Staple Hall
>                 Stone House Court
>                 London EC3A 7PB
>                 Tel: +44 (0)20 7903 0000
>                 Fax: +44 (0)20 7903 0011
>                 Email: roger.bowes@aslib.com
>                http://www.aslib.com
> > ----------
> > From:         Barry Mahon[SMTP:mahons1@EIRCOM.NET]
> > Reply To:     ICSTI-L list
> > Sent:         01 February 2001 18:25
> > Subject:      EU Copyright Directive - latest
> >
> > The proposed Directive to 'harmonise' copyright legislation in the EU is
> > entering its latest and crucial phase in the European Parliament.
> >
> > There are a lot of amendments proposed to the 'common position' text
> > reached by EU governments last year. Many are non controversial
> > amendments of clarification but there is one which would affect the
> > rights of libraries and researchers to make copies for private use - the
> > so called fair dealing provision. There is a proposal that this right be
> > limited to archive and conservation purposes only.
> >
> > The following article summarises some of the problems:
> > http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/s/20010123/europecopyright.html
> >
> > The library community in Europe is mounting a vigorous campaign to
> > reverse the proposals.
> >
> > There is a real risk that the whole Directive could be shelved if the
> > Parliament cannot reach agreement.
> >
> > There will be a vote of the Legal Affairs committee of the Parliament
> > next Tuesday Feb. 6 which will be critical to further progress or not.
> >
> > Bye, Barry
> >


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