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- From: "Herbert J. Bernstein" <yaya@bernstein-plus-sons.com>
- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:48:23 -0500 (EST)
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Dear David, I am not sure there is a reason to forbid the use of alias_tag_set attributes in normalized form with individual tag definition save frames for precisely the reasons you give for the denormailized form. Regards, Herbert ===================================================== Herbert J. Bernstein, Professor of Computer Science Dowling College, Kramer Science Center, KSC 121 Idle Hour Blvd, Oakdale, NY, 11769 +1-631-244-3035 yaya@dowling.edu ===================================================== On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, David Brown wrote: > Herbert, > > I have checked your DDLm draft at the site quoted below and find it > acceptable. The only suggestion I have is that the description of the > alias_tag_set category should point out (in the same way as the description > of the dictionary_xref category), that this category is not used as > attributes of individual data items. This is true in the normalized state > when (I assume, though you never answered my question directly) all the > aliases will appear in a single alias_tag_set save_ frame. After > denormalizing they will of course appear in the joined alias category and so > in this format will be attributes of individual data items. I assume this > is not a problem. > > The advantage of keeping all the aliased datanames (tags) in one save_ frame > is that this save_ frame can be kept in a separate dictionary and can be > imported as required into a standard dictioanry that otherwise has makes no > reference to tag_sets, making dictionary management much simpler, but > allowing a user to customize the dictioanry according to their own > definition of tag_sets. > > I like the alias_tag_set name. It is more descriptive, shorter and > therefore easier to understand. > > David > > > > Herbert J. Bernstein wrote: > > These messages are getting too long. I have posted the current > best draft of what I will be using for my own work at > > http://arcib.dowling.edu/~bernsteh/BplusS_DDLm_changes_2Feb11.dic > > which should be considered a preliminary proposal to COMCIFs > in support of the development of a DDLm dictionary for > imgCIF along with a DDLm dictionary for the portion of the > mmCIF dictionary needed to support imgCIF. > > I hope to have practical code using this to demonstrate in Madrid, > when we can discuss it face-to-face. > ===================================================== > Herbert J. Bernstein, Professor of Computer Science > Dowling College, Kramer Science Center, KSC 121 > Idle Hour Blvd, Oakdale, NY, 11769 > > +1-631-244-3035 > yaya@dowling.edu > ===================================================== > > On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Bollinger, John C wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:46 AM, Herbert J. Bernstein wrote: > [...] > > I think the original COMCIFS decision of a global > name space was a wise choice for the major applications of > CIF, and would suggest we stick to it for DDLm. > > For the record, lest it be obscured by the volume of rhetoric, none of > the name space issues I have raised in this discussion of DDLm aliases > should be construed as advocacy for COMCIFS changing policy on naming, > prefixes, etc.. The introduction of DDLm is no justification for such a > disruptive move. All I ask the group to consider is whether DDLm should > provide for cases where COMCIFS policy is not observed. > > > Cheers, > > John > > -- > John C. Bollinger, Ph.D. > Department of Structural Biology > St. Jude Children's Research Hospital > > > Email Disclaimer: www.stjude.org/emaildisclaimer > > _______________________________________________ > ddlm-group mailing list > ddlm-group@iucr.org > http://scripts.iucr.org/mailman/listinfo/ddlm-group > > _______________________________________________ > ddlm-group mailing list > ddlm-group@iucr.org > http://scripts.iucr.org/mailman/listinfo/ddlm-group > > > > >
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- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed) (James Hester)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. . (John Westbrook)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. . (Bollinger, John C)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. . (Herbert J. Bernstein)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. . (Bollinger, John C)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. . (Herbert J. Bernstein)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. .. . (Bollinger, John C)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. .. . (Herbert J. Bernstein)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. .... . (Bollinger, John C)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. .... . (Herbert J. Bernstein)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. .... . (John Westbrook)
- Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .. .. .. .... . (Herbert J. Bernstein)
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