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Re: [dddwg] ESRF data policy article
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- Subject: Re: [dddwg] ESRF data policy article
- From: Gordon LEONARD <leonard@esrf.fr>
- Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 13:40:39 +0100
- In-Reply-To: <56B712DF.5030207@iwonka.med.virginia.edu>
- Organization: ESRF
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Hi Wladek, To answer your question, as far as I understand things (Andy G. will correct me if I'm wrong) the 3 year 'embargo' will be from the date the experimental data are collected. While I'm here, at the DDDWG working group workshop in Croatia I think you agreed to provide a draft of the metadata that should be archived along with raw data from MX experiments. Have you made any progress with this? Clearly, it would be nice if there were a standard description of a MX experiment that will allow reprocessing/re-analysis of raw data and it would be good if there could be agreement on this soon. As I said at the workshop, I think we could straightforwardly agree on a basic description of an experiment, but do we need to go further than this (i.e. include a full description of the sample including crystallisation conditions, amino acid sequence, etc)? IMO we should, but I might be in a minority in thinking this. Maybe we need another workshop! Talk to you soon, Yours, Gordon On 07/02/2016 10:48, Wladek Minor wrote:>> Dear Andy,>> This is great. You may also look into our server > http://proteindiffraction.org.>> I have a question about 3 years. Should it be 3 years since the > diffraction experiment or three years after PDB deposit ? In my mind, > data should available immediately when PDB deposit is released.>> Best regards>> Wladek>> On 2/7/2016 3:47 AM, Andy Gotz wrote:>> Dear John,>> thank you for your encouragement and support. The dddwg definitely >> played a role to get us this far and will continue to help defining >> standards for preserving data for diffraction experiments. We always >> cite the dddwg and its work when explaining the ESRF data policy. >> Thank you too and long live the dddwg!>>>> The policy foresees data being released by the PI before the 3 year >> embargo has expired. This is primarily to allow and encourage >> scientists to make the data publicly available as soon as they >> publish their results. The policy does not foresee the specific case >> of anonymous access for referees before the PI has made the data >> public and/or the 3 year embargo period has expired. If referees want >> access to the data beforehand we think it is up to the PI to decide >> this. The PI can then add the referee to the experimental team >> thereby granting them access to the data.>>>> The preferred data format for archived data will be HDF5 as container >> and Nexus as the ontology. Conversion programs will convert >> HDF5/Nexus to other formats if required.>>>> Kind regards>>>> Andy>>>> On 07/02/2016 08:54, John Helliwell wrote:>>> Dear Andy,>>> Please also accept my Hearty congratulations on this very important >>> development.>>>>>> The access to specific data sets by referees, an editor and >>> eventually readers of an article relying on those data will be via >>> your registration process mentioned in the policy I assume? Very >>> often this will be before 3 years have elapsed since the >>> measurements; will (registered) access be allowed during those first >>> three years? (referees of course may well need to be anonymous to >>> conform with a given journal's policy and/or their own wishes.)>>> Like Tom, I put out a tweet yesterday evening. One immediate query >>> that has come up concerned data format (Nexus was asked about). If >>> you let me have your answer (in less than 140 characters) I will >>> reply for you if you wish. Or, with your permission, I can let the >>> person who raised it know that you are the person to contact.>>>>>> Hearty congratulations once again.>>> John>>>>>>>>>>>> Emeritus Prof of Chemistry John R Helliwell DSc_Physics>>> https://www.crcpress.com/Perspectives-in-Crystallography/Helliwell/9781498732109 >>>>>> A new book which resonates with the recent UN, UNESCO and IUCr >>> International Year of Crystallography.>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 17:31, "Andy Gotz" <andy.gotz@esrf.fr> wrote:>>>>>>> Dear All,>>>>>>>> FYI an article on the ESRF data policy is now online:>>>>>>>> http://www.esrf.eu/home/news/general/content-news/general/esrf-takes-the-helm-in-saving-data.html >>>>>>>>>>>> It will be presented at the ESRF Users meeting next week.>>>>>>>> Andy>>>> _______________________________________________>>>> dddwg mailing list>>>> dddwg@iucr.org>>>> http://mailman.iucr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dddwg>>> _______________________________________________>>> dddwg mailing list>>> dddwg@iucr.org>>> http://mailman.iucr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dddwg>>>> _______________________________________________>> dddwg mailing list>> dddwg@iucr.org>> http://mailman.iucr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dddwg> _______________________________________________dddwg mailing listdddwg@iucr.orghttp://mailman.iucr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dddwg
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