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Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .
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- Subject: Re: [ddlm-group] DDLm aliases (subject changed). .. .. .
- From: "Herbert J. Bernstein" <email@example.com>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:08:29 -0500
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One problem with treating the xref as the ensemble, is that with DDLm, we are moving into having multiple dictionaries for one ensemble, and even now, with DDL2, we are in the same state with imgCIF, in which the ensemble spans both the imgCIF and mmCIF dictionaries. Another problem is that, again with the move to DDLm, one dictionary can be home to multiple ensembles. That being said, when you have a unitary case, as with the DDL1 core or the DDL2 mmCIF dictionary, in which the dictionary is an ensemble and the ensemble is that same dictionary, citing just the relevant xref, rather than the ensemble will suffice. At 11:03 AM -0600 1/27/11, Bollinger, John C wrote: >On Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:53 AM, John Westbrook wrote: > >>I am trying to understand the mapping of the proposed items to a simple >>example from the mmCIF dictionary. Could you provide an example using >>the proposed DDL for how the following alias would be represented. >> >>save__geom.details >> _item_description.description >>; A description of geometry not covered by the >> existing data names in the GEOM categories, such as >> least-squares planes. >>; >> _item.name '_geom.details' >> _item.category_id geom >> _item.mandatory_code no >> _item_aliases.alias_name '_geom_special_details' >> _item_aliases.dictionary cif_core.dic >> _item_aliases.version 2.0.1 >> _item_type.code text >> save_ > > >So, it looks like despite converging on an agreed form for the DDLm >changes we have been discussing, Herbert and I may still have >divergent visions for their use. As far as I intend, and even as I >interpret the proposed formal changes, "ensembles" are distinct from >and on top of aliases. You can have aliases without ensembles, but >not ensembles without aliases. As such, this is how I think the >above alias, plus an alias to the DDL2 mmCIF definition, would be >modeled in a DDLm dictionary: > >save_geom.details >[...] >loop_ > _alias.definition_id > _alias.xref_code > _alias.deprecated > '_geom_special_details' core no > '_geom.details' mmCIF no >[...] >save_ > > >That references items in the existing, dictionary-wide >dictionary_xref category: > >loop_ > _dictionary_xref.code > _dictionary_xref.name > _dictionary_xref.date > _dictionary_xref.format > _dictionary_xref.uri > core cif_core.dic '29-Jun-2010' DDL1 >ftp://ftp.iucr.org/pub/cif_core.dic > mmCIF cif_mm.dic '27-Jun-2005' DDL2 >ftp://ftp.iucr.org/pub/cif_mm.dic > > >Currently _dictionary_xref.format (values 'DDL1' and 'DDL2' above) >is defined as having type 'Text', meaning that it is not intended to >be machine-interpretable. It is an open question whether that item >should be redefined to be a 'Code' drawing on a controlled >vocabulary of format codes. > >You will also note that in the most recent version of the proposal >there is no analog of _item_alias.version. An earlier version of >the proposal did contain such an analog (_alias.dictionary_version), >and anyone who thinks it important to have that is welcome to make a >case for reintroducing it. I would not oppose such a move. > >Anyway, having defined aliases as shown above, a dictionary author >might choose to associate them with one or more ensembles as Herbert >demonstrated. The meaning of any particular ensemble can be >dictionary-specific, but the proposal on the table presumes some >kind of official set of particular ensemble IDs with centrally >defined meaning. > > >Regards, > >John > >-- >John C. Bollinger, Ph.D. >Department of Structural Biology >St. Jude Children's Research Hospital > > > > > > >Email Disclaimer: www.stjude.org/emaildisclaimer > >_______________________________________________ >ddlm-group mailing list >email@example.com >http://scripts.iucr.org/mailman/listinfo/ddlm-group -- ===================================================== Herbert J. Bernstein, Professor of Computer Science Dowling College, Kramer Science Center, KSC 121 Idle Hour Blvd, Oakdale, NY, 11769 +1-631-244-3035 firstname.lastname@example.org ===================================================== _______________________________________________ ddlm-group mailing list email@example.com http://scripts.iucr.org/mailman/listinfo/ddlm-group
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